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		<title>By: John Q</title>
		<link>http://monsantoblog.com/2009/04/13/gmo-vegetables-animal-dna/comment-page-1/#comment-3004</link>
		<dc:creator>John Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deborah said:
&quot;Expanding labeling requirements would not undermine the confidence of any consumers I know. Quite the opposite is true for many people who want to know what they are eating. Information is power, as they say.&quot;

You apparently know a different set of people than I do. Most of the people I know are pretty un-confident in Govt. &quot;labels&quot; after the recent spate of ingredient tampering and food contamination episodes. Weren&#039;t a lot of those salmonella peanut product labeled &quot;organic&quot;?

As mentioned here before, US food labeling laws are concerned with safety. Do you REALLY want to know what you are eating? Because you should research the FDA rules on how many rodent hairs, bug parts, whole maggots, and spider eggs are allowed in your produce WITHOUT labeling. And you still have no idea what your food was exposed to in the field or on the way to market. The only way to TRULY know is to grow it yourself. At which point anyone in the US would have to say goodbye to coffee and chocolate, to cite a few examples.

I want to know that the workers that made the products I consume were pair a fair market wage. Sure, some manufacturers VOLUNTARILY label their products as &quot;Fair Trade&quot;, or whatever, and I try to support those vendors when I can, but the vendors use that label primarily as a marketing tool to justify a higher price. But as far as I know no government agency certifies these products as &quot;Fair Trade&quot;.

You are WELCOME to ASK the manufacturers of GM products to VOLUNTARILY label those products, but 13 years of &quot;exposure&quot; have not shown a SINGLE verifiable case where GM was a safety or health threat, so the govt. cannot justify labeling it.

Don&#039;t want GM in your food? Buy organic. Done. And we save the cost of an additional governmental agency, but in terms of taxes and in terms of food costs.

Deborah said:
&quot;but many of us are more concerned about health, justice, and the environment.&quot;

I am concerned about all of these, also. But there are no statistically significant indications that GM is a health concern. GM is justice neutral, as far as I know. And my understanding is GM in many cases is BETTER for the environment than conventional and even organic farming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah said:<br />
&#8220;Expanding labeling requirements would not undermine the confidence of any consumers I know. Quite the opposite is true for many people who want to know what they are eating. Information is power, as they say.&#8221;</p>
<p>You apparently know a different set of people than I do. Most of the people I know are pretty un-confident in Govt. &#8220;labels&#8221; after the recent spate of ingredient tampering and food contamination episodes. Weren&#8217;t a lot of those salmonella peanut product labeled &#8220;organic&#8221;?</p>
<p>As mentioned here before, US food labeling laws are concerned with safety. Do you REALLY want to know what you are eating? Because you should research the FDA rules on how many rodent hairs, bug parts, whole maggots, and spider eggs are allowed in your produce WITHOUT labeling. And you still have no idea what your food was exposed to in the field or on the way to market. The only way to TRULY know is to grow it yourself. At which point anyone in the US would have to say goodbye to coffee and chocolate, to cite a few examples.</p>
<p>I want to know that the workers that made the products I consume were pair a fair market wage. Sure, some manufacturers VOLUNTARILY label their products as &#8220;Fair Trade&#8221;, or whatever, and I try to support those vendors when I can, but the vendors use that label primarily as a marketing tool to justify a higher price. But as far as I know no government agency certifies these products as &#8220;Fair Trade&#8221;.</p>
<p>You are WELCOME to ASK the manufacturers of GM products to VOLUNTARILY label those products, but 13 years of &#8220;exposure&#8221; have not shown a SINGLE verifiable case where GM was a safety or health threat, so the govt. cannot justify labeling it.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t want GM in your food? Buy organic. Done. And we save the cost of an additional governmental agency, but in terms of taxes and in terms of food costs.</p>
<p>Deborah said:<br />
&#8220;but many of us are more concerned about health, justice, and the environment.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am concerned about all of these, also. But there are no statistically significant indications that GM is a health concern. GM is justice neutral, as far as I know. And my understanding is GM in many cases is BETTER for the environment than conventional and even organic farming.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Rubin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Rubin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expanding labeling requirements would not undermine the confidence of any consumers I know.  Quite the opposite is true for many people who want to know what they are eating.  Information is power, as they say.

A kick in the pocket book may be the most alarming kick to you, John Q, but many of us are more concerned about health, justice, and the environment.  What is the real cost?  And who ultimately bears it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expanding labeling requirements would not undermine the confidence of any consumers I know.  Quite the opposite is true for many people who want to know what they are eating.  Information is power, as they say.</p>
<p>A kick in the pocket book may be the most alarming kick to you, John Q, but many of us are more concerned about health, justice, and the environment.  What is the real cost?  And who ultimately bears it?</p>
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		<title>By: John Q</title>
		<link>http://monsantoblog.com/2009/04/13/gmo-vegetables-animal-dna/comment-page-1/#comment-3002</link>
		<dc:creator>John Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, you are correct. Thanks for the clarification.

What I gave were MY reasons for lobbying against unnecessary labelling. Because, for me, a distinct kick in the pocketbook is more alarming than some nebulous non-specific hint of a possible (but non-detectable) threat.

And that, folks, is why Kate gets paid to do this, while I am an amateur!

I still want my label for non-exploited left-handed harvesters, though. ;^)

And also, Kate, thanks for sticking with this discussion beyond the ten-day &quot;expiration date&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, you are correct. Thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>What I gave were MY reasons for lobbying against unnecessary labelling. Because, for me, a distinct kick in the pocketbook is more alarming than some nebulous non-specific hint of a possible (but non-detectable) threat.</p>
<p>And that, folks, is why Kate gets paid to do this, while I am an amateur!</p>
<p>I still want my label for non-exploited left-handed harvesters, though. ;^)</p>
<p>And also, Kate, thanks for sticking with this discussion beyond the ten-day &#8220;expiration date&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John!

We also have a post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.monsantoblog.com/2009/03/02/gmo-label-jeffrey-smith/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;labeling and Monsanto&lt;/a&gt; and a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto_today/for_the_record/gmo_labeling.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For the Record &lt;/a&gt;on it as well!

The main message to take away, however, is that the U.S. labeling laws are based on &lt;strong&gt;health and safety&lt;/strong&gt;. Requiring labeling for ingredients that &lt;strong&gt;don’t pose a health issue &lt;/strong&gt;would undermine both our labeling laws and consumer confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John!</p>
<p>We also have a post on <a href="http://blog.monsantoblog.com/2009/03/02/gmo-label-jeffrey-smith/" rel="nofollow">labeling and Monsanto</a> and a <a href="http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto_today/for_the_record/gmo_labeling.asp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">For the Record </a>on it as well!</p>
<p>The main message to take away, however, is that the U.S. labeling laws are based on <strong>health and safety</strong>. Requiring labeling for ingredients that <strong>don’t pose a health issue </strong>would undermine both our labeling laws and consumer confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: John Q</title>
		<link>http://monsantoblog.com/2009/04/13/gmo-vegetables-animal-dna/comment-page-1/#comment-3000</link>
		<dc:creator>John Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip said:

&quot;Oh, and Kate. Why, if GM crops are so wonderful and benign, does Monsanto fight against the consumers right to know?&quot;

I&#039;m not Kate, but I&#039;ll take a crack at this. As you yourself point out, there is already a labelling process for &quot;organic&quot; food, which currently excludes GM, so that is certainly an existing option for you &quot;GM labellers&quot;. But let me point out that organic food carries a price premium. Part of that price premium is because it is less efficient to make, and part of it is because SOMEONE has to pay for the certification, labelling, and regulation.

So it is for &quot;Non-GM&quot; labelling. Monsanto is not (ultimately) going to pay for that. The farmer isn&#039;t going to pay for that. Your local supermarket isn&#039;t going to absorb that cost. YOU, the taxpayer and/or consumer, are going to ultimately pay for that. And I hope it is &quot;you&quot;, the consumer, and not &quot;us&quot;, the taxpayer, that pays for it, because I agree with Monsanto, there is no testable nutritional difference between GM and non-GM food, and only sophisticated genetic tests can tell at the DNA level.

I asked this above, and this topic went basically silent for a month and a half. Perhaps you, Philip, are willing to answer, since you are so keen on non-GM labelling:

How far down the processing stream does “GM” stick?

Are animals fed GM corn considered “GM”? Does that make people (and other animals) that eat those animals ALSO “GM”?

Is High-Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) from GM corn considered “GM”? Does the Coke(R) and Pepsi(R) made from that HFCS thus become “GM”?

Does ethanol from GM corn become “GM”? Will that then make your CAR “GM”?

Does refined sugar from GM beets become “GM”, even though it contains NO DNA? What about brownies made at home from that refined sugar?

Does runoff from fields planted with GM crops become “GM”? Do harvests from no-tilled GM fields become “GM” in subsequent years?

Do foods fried in oil from GM cotton become “GM”?

Does Textured Vegetable Protein (TVP) made from GM soybeans become &quot;GM&quot;? Do the vegetarian
 &quot;burgers&quot; made from that &quot;GM&quot; TVP become &quot;GM&quot;? What about all of the school lunches with TVP?

Do clothes made from GM cotton become “GM”? Do (non-food, but still) bandages and tampons made from GM cotton become “GM”? What about recycled fibers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, and Kate. Why, if GM crops are so wonderful and benign, does Monsanto fight against the consumers right to know?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not Kate, but I&#8217;ll take a crack at this. As you yourself point out, there is already a labelling process for &#8220;organic&#8221; food, which currently excludes GM, so that is certainly an existing option for you &#8220;GM labellers&#8221;. But let me point out that organic food carries a price premium. Part of that price premium is because it is less efficient to make, and part of it is because SOMEONE has to pay for the certification, labelling, and regulation.</p>
<p>So it is for &#8220;Non-GM&#8221; labelling. Monsanto is not (ultimately) going to pay for that. The farmer isn&#8217;t going to pay for that. Your local supermarket isn&#8217;t going to absorb that cost. YOU, the taxpayer and/or consumer, are going to ultimately pay for that. And I hope it is &#8220;you&#8221;, the consumer, and not &#8220;us&#8221;, the taxpayer, that pays for it, because I agree with Monsanto, there is no testable nutritional difference between GM and non-GM food, and only sophisticated genetic tests can tell at the DNA level.</p>
<p>I asked this above, and this topic went basically silent for a month and a half. Perhaps you, Philip, are willing to answer, since you are so keen on non-GM labelling:</p>
<p>How far down the processing stream does “GM” stick?</p>
<p>Are animals fed GM corn considered “GM”? Does that make people (and other animals) that eat those animals ALSO “GM”?</p>
<p>Is High-Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) from GM corn considered “GM”? Does the Coke(R) and Pepsi(R) made from that HFCS thus become “GM”?</p>
<p>Does ethanol from GM corn become “GM”? Will that then make your CAR “GM”?</p>
<p>Does refined sugar from GM beets become “GM”, even though it contains NO DNA? What about brownies made at home from that refined sugar?</p>
<p>Does runoff from fields planted with GM crops become “GM”? Do harvests from no-tilled GM fields become “GM” in subsequent years?</p>
<p>Do foods fried in oil from GM cotton become “GM”?</p>
<p>Does Textured Vegetable Protein (TVP) made from GM soybeans become &#8220;GM&#8221;? Do the vegetarian<br />
 &#8220;burgers&#8221; made from that &#8220;GM&#8221; TVP become &#8220;GM&#8221;? What about all of the school lunches with TVP?</p>
<p>Do clothes made from GM cotton become “GM”? Do (non-food, but still) bandages and tampons made from GM cotton become “GM”? What about recycled fibers?</p>
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		<title>By: John Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anywhere there is a large concentration of the same organism, a breeding ground for infectious organisms exists. If the population was dispersed, one organism might get sick, but it would have no way to pass on the disease to others of its kind. Regardless of how they are grown.

We COULD intermingle our wheat, corn, rice, rye, cotton, soybean, banana, pineapple, papaya, and watermelon crops and drastically reduce the opportunities for infectious diseases through proximity, but the harvesting costs would be prohibitive. People don&#039;t like their CURRENT food bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anywhere there is a large concentration of the same organism, a breeding ground for infectious organisms exists. If the population was dispersed, one organism might get sick, but it would have no way to pass on the disease to others of its kind. Regardless of how they are grown.</p>
<p>We COULD intermingle our wheat, corn, rice, rye, cotton, soybean, banana, pineapple, papaya, and watermelon crops and drastically reduce the opportunities for infectious diseases through proximity, but the harvesting costs would be prohibitive. People don&#8217;t like their CURRENT food bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Solman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Solman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Edwin. The reason Monsanto continues to promote temporary fixes rather than dealing with the underlying problem of poor soil health is that they make millions selling one temporary fix after another. If we actually solved poor soil health through organic methods, Monsanto would be out of business.
Oh, and Kate. Why, if GM crops are so wonderful and benign, does Monsanto fight against the consumers right to know? Surely trusted customers should be able to chose to eat GM, or non-GM products (just like you can chose to &#039;avoid organic foods&#039;, as you say). Is it that you don&#039;t actually trust us to make the decision that is good for Monsanto, so you continue to fight for the right to get your GM products into our food without us knowing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Edwin. The reason Monsanto continues to promote temporary fixes rather than dealing with the underlying problem of poor soil health is that they make millions selling one temporary fix after another. If we actually solved poor soil health through organic methods, Monsanto would be out of business.<br />
Oh, and Kate. Why, if GM crops are so wonderful and benign, does Monsanto fight against the consumers right to know? Surely trusted customers should be able to chose to eat GM, or non-GM products (just like you can chose to &#8216;avoid organic foods&#8217;, as you say). Is it that you don&#8217;t actually trust us to make the decision that is good for Monsanto, so you continue to fight for the right to get your GM products into our food without us knowing?</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the whole issue is really why we are using such &quot;inharmonious&quot; techniques to solve problems which can be resolved by ensuring we use and create healthy soils. GM seeds are attacking a result of a larger problem which is created by poor soil health. Large scale die-outs like the papaya ring spot virus in Hawaii were created by environmental (soil) conditions which fostered its spread. Solving the problem by creating a tolerant variety is a temporary solution as the conditions which allowed for its creation still exist. Just like we continually need to find new anti-biotic combinations to fight disease, this virus will mutate or a similar virus will attack creating the need for a new variety. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity like they say. Fix the root of the problem, not the results of it. Check out biological farming. That is the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the whole issue is really why we are using such &#8220;inharmonious&#8221; techniques to solve problems which can be resolved by ensuring we use and create healthy soils. GM seeds are attacking a result of a larger problem which is created by poor soil health. Large scale die-outs like the papaya ring spot virus in Hawaii were created by environmental (soil) conditions which fostered its spread. Solving the problem by creating a tolerant variety is a temporary solution as the conditions which allowed for its creation still exist. Just like we continually need to find new anti-biotic combinations to fight disease, this virus will mutate or a similar virus will attack creating the need for a new variety. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity like they say. Fix the root of the problem, not the results of it. Check out biological farming. That is the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Julien RICHARD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julien RICHARD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As often, the work of Monsanto and was misjudged by some people. Almost every case is distorted to make it bad. I find it regretable but some critics will not change their way of thinking about Monsanto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As often, the work of Monsanto and was misjudged by some people. Almost every case is distorted to make it bad. I find it regretable but some critics will not change their way of thinking about Monsanto.</p>
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		<title>By: Cloud Ahead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cloud Ahead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Editors Note: Offensive language edited out of this post.

Monsanto and it&#039;s employees are launching a h******** of proportions that will in the end be greater than H******.

Monsanto is dusting off it&#039;s old Public Relations play book and switching Agent Orange with GMO&#039;s.

How do any of your employees sleep at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Editors Note: Offensive language edited out of this post.</p>
<p>Monsanto and it&#8217;s employees are launching a h******** of proportions that will in the end be greater than H******.</p>
<p>Monsanto is dusting off it&#8217;s old Public Relations play book and switching Agent Orange with GMO&#8217;s.</p>
<p>How do any of your employees sleep at night.</em></p>
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